What is it that Mark Millar believes that the readers of the hardback collection of Ultimate Avengers 3 want in return for their £24.99? Mr Millar is, after all, a canny thinker, and by his own admission, he’s keenly aware of the need to identify and fulfill his reader’s expectations. As any sensible creator must be, he’s quite rationally concerned not just with story and self-expression, but with markets and consumers and commercial success.
Given that he’s
very much a formalist, Mr Miller’s work always does carry with it a sense of
how he judges the
tastes of his audience. For although there are those who believe that Mr
Millar takes little care with his comics writing at all, the slightest glance
at the structure of his scripts shows how deliberate and purposeful his
work actually is. For example, 4 of the six 23-sided chapters of Blade Versus The Avengers
contain precisely 4 splash pages each, with issue one having 5 and issue six having 3. The
chances of this happening by accident are surely almost impossible. No,
Mr Millar's work on Ultimate Avengers 3 is clearly constructed according to a well-defined
model of storytelling. And so, each issue is divided roughly into 3 acts, each
act is organised around an attention-snaring water-cooler moment, and
each chapter contains at least 2 supposedly-shocking plot-reversals, one
of which is always rather cunningly placed 3 or 4 pages before the
issue's end, creating a double-climax for each of the parts of the
tale. In short, Mr Millar is anything but a careless author. And so,
it's surely safe to presume that the incredibly precise formula which guides his work
here tells us a great deal about what it is that he thinks his audience is looking for. After all, a
man who thinks that carefully about his craft is highly unlikely to have
avoided thinking about the tastes of the consumers that his comics are aimed at.
Where the evidence of Ultimate Avengers 3 is concerned, it seems clear that Mr Millar believed his audience would be largely uninterested in either the thoughts or the feelings of his characters. It's as if his desire to produce the superhero equivalent of a summer blockbuster pop-horror movie excused him from anything but the thinnest business of killing and threatening to kill off characters in unexpected ways, as if the barest bones of such a costumed killer-thriller strung across six chapters would somehow be satisfying in itself. In truth, the six chapters of Blade Versus The Avengers are concerned with nothing more human, nothing more emotional, nothing more touching, than the matter of who’s the hardest, vampires or superhumans, to which the answer is, of course and as always, Ultimate Captain America!
Where the evidence of Ultimate Avengers 3 is concerned, it seems clear that Mr Millar believed his audience would be largely uninterested in either the thoughts or the feelings of his characters. It's as if his desire to produce the superhero equivalent of a summer blockbuster pop-horror movie excused him from anything but the thinnest business of killing and threatening to kill off characters in unexpected ways, as if the barest bones of such a costumed killer-thriller strung across six chapters would somehow be satisfying in itself. In truth, the six chapters of Blade Versus The Avengers are concerned with nothing more human, nothing more emotional, nothing more touching, than the matter of who’s the hardest, vampires or superhumans, to which the answer is, of course and as always, Ultimate Captain America!
It's rather shocking to realise that Mr Miller is on record as having declared that he was keen to use his work on the Ultimate Avengers to go “a bit deeper into the
characters”, because personality is the last thing that his scripts
here are concerned
with in anything but the broadest of terms. When Mr Millar does present
the reader with the slightest hint of character in Ultimate Avengers 3, its sole intent is to
mislead the audience about where the story is going to
go. Because Blade Versus The Avengers is designed to do nothing
more moving than surprise and shock, which in itself would be fine, if
the shocks and surprises were delivered in the form of an inventive and dense narrative designed to reward the reader for their faith in the
book's creative team. Yet with an average of just
3.5 panels per page across the whole of the collected edition, and with
the artwork in those frames most typically presenting us with utterly
predicable and at-best efficient designs, what we have here isn't a
story so much as an advert for one, a proposal for the spine of a tale
which a truly ambitious and fully committed creative team might then have fleshed out
together for publication.
And so, the first chapter here is purposefully set up to wrong-foot the expectations of a reader familiar with the conventions of the superhero sub-genre. We’re presented with two point-of-view characters, Blade, who will in truth have little of substance to do with the plot, and the new Daredevil, a teenage boy created to engage the audience’s sympathies not through his character, but through his given role of young superhero-in-training. (The boy Man Without Fear will have little to do the plot either, when it comes down to it. That's because the plot itself is so threadbare that it's merely a ramble from one jarring reversal to another.) The reader, presented with a blind boy enthusiastically embracing the life of a superhero in order to fulfil a mystic destiny, immediately expects to be following this lad through a rites-of-passage tale. But that’s all disinformation, and the misdirection is, it must be said, rather well done. When the new Daredevil encounters his master Stick being gorged upon by a vampire Hulk, the reader new to this tale, and therefore not stupefied by the endless parade of such incidents which lie before them, is surprised and yet also convinced that the young sightless hero will escape. After all, the narrative has already produced two unexpected moments in a single full page shot, with both ninja mentor and gamma-powered super-monster suddenly revealed to be fighting for the sharp-toothed other side; who'd expect a third contradiction of expectation at this point of the very first chapter? That the new Daredevil, who’s existed for just eight pages, and who’s been in costume for just three of them, should then be snacked upon himself is utterly unexpected, and Mr Millar has achieved his ends. Our assumptions have been contradicted, and our sense of where the plot is going has been completely undermined.
And so, the first chapter here is purposefully set up to wrong-foot the expectations of a reader familiar with the conventions of the superhero sub-genre. We’re presented with two point-of-view characters, Blade, who will in truth have little of substance to do with the plot, and the new Daredevil, a teenage boy created to engage the audience’s sympathies not through his character, but through his given role of young superhero-in-training. (The boy Man Without Fear will have little to do the plot either, when it comes down to it. That's because the plot itself is so threadbare that it's merely a ramble from one jarring reversal to another.) The reader, presented with a blind boy enthusiastically embracing the life of a superhero in order to fulfil a mystic destiny, immediately expects to be following this lad through a rites-of-passage tale. But that’s all disinformation, and the misdirection is, it must be said, rather well done. When the new Daredevil encounters his master Stick being gorged upon by a vampire Hulk, the reader new to this tale, and therefore not stupefied by the endless parade of such incidents which lie before them, is surprised and yet also convinced that the young sightless hero will escape. After all, the narrative has already produced two unexpected moments in a single full page shot, with both ninja mentor and gamma-powered super-monster suddenly revealed to be fighting for the sharp-toothed other side; who'd expect a third contradiction of expectation at this point of the very first chapter? That the new Daredevil, who’s existed for just eight pages, and who’s been in costume for just three of them, should then be snacked upon himself is utterly unexpected, and Mr Millar has achieved his ends. Our assumptions have been contradicted, and our sense of where the plot is going has been completely undermined.
But that
misdirection is all that the creation of this Daredevil was concerned with. The
brief glimpses we'd been given of the blinded boy who “tried a sip of orange juice
…. and gagged like it was battery acid” were only there to fool us
into
thinking that we were going to be offered the chance to get to become acquainted with him. His
fate is nothing but a knowing, cold-hearted
joke designed to work as an unexpected punch-line spicing up an
all-too-predictable narrative. And in that, the first chapter of Blade
Versus The Avengers succeeds in doing exactly what Mr Millar wanted it
to. The
reader was second-guessed when fangs unexpectedly drew super-heroic
blood. But beyond the surprise and the PG spurt of blood from his neck, that's
all that's been given. In that, the whole first chapter is little more than a set-up for an unremarkable if surprising jolt, and once that shock's been had, the story that's left feels remarkably thin. In that, it's certainly not an introduction which can bear any repeated reading.
It's a process of misdirection leading to "shock" which becomes
incredibly tedious exceptionally fast.
The metronomic predictability of Mr Millar's structure is so obvious
from that point onwards that it's as if the reader is being taken for an
idiot. Variety is very much not the ambition where Mr Millar's one-note script is concerned. As so, chapter two has Captain America
being turned, and chapter three has Steve Rogers sinking his fangs
into
Blade. Chapter 4 sees the leader of the vampires killed, and by a
vampiric
Hulk-clone too, while chapter 5 sees Perun, the Russian thunder god,
murdered. What
counts for Mr Millar here is the bloody and supposedly unanticipated twist, the wise-crack, the
splash page of the neck
being broken, the story ending on a scene of
ever-intensifying jeopardy and
absurdity. After two or three consecutive examples of the same routine, it all stands as far less of a friendly wink to the reader and far
more of a sneer; did we really pay $24.99 for this? Is this really what
one of today's finest writers of the superhero book is now churning out as a
legacy? Because by the time a giant super-soldier has killed another by
stabbing him
in the heart with a jet fighter, which surely ought to be one of the greatest and most absurd panels ever, the reader has already been utterly overcome with ennui. No, Ultimate Avengers 3
is rarely more than an example of the most self-satisfied of storytelling disguised by spectacular piffle, of technique supplanting
heart, of formula
excluding meaning. It’s the ultimate triumph of a storytelling tradition
which
believes that superhero comics needn’t be concerned with character and emotion as long as they're peppered with bombastic
moments designed to contradict and yet never challenge the committed fanboy’s expectations. And for a writer who claims to be disinterested in
continuity, it's worth noting that Mr Millar's script of Blade Versus The Avengers works only because many of its key
scenes
run in a violently contrary way to the specific traditions of the Marvel
universe proper. This is anything but an Ultimate comic aimed at the general reader.
This is what happens when the ironic and violent gesture obliterates any and all traces of emotion or thought
beyond that aroused by a playground shout of golly-gee-whiz-look-it's-a-vampire-Captain-America! It’s the end-game of a comicbook market more and
more obsessed with what unguessable thing is going to happen next rather than what action tells us
about the characters involved. It’s the triumph of surface over substance, and
in that, it thoroughly cheats the reader, because the implication is that
spectacle can’t co-exist with intimacy, that personality can’t flourish where great world-ending set-pieces do. It’s the easy
way out, a comic book that can be written in next to no time at all, and it results in product which appeals only to
the dwindling hardcore of fans who simply don’t care that Mr Millar
could also have added scenes which were touching, and informing, and clever,
and amusing, and structured to do something other than bawl out “Look at this!!! Argh!!! FOOLED YOU!!!”
Once the
young Daredevil has served his purpose by being murdered, he disappears into the background of
the tale, serving as just another stereotypical vampire. Any opportunity to
wring some pathos out of the fact of a young life of promise cut so cruelly short is
quite ignored. Daredevil is reduced to a boy vampire in a Bill Everett superhero
costume, a gag which only the adept could extract very much meaning from. Even
his death is a perfunctory business. He’s shown in the background of a single panel with his arm catching fire after
he’s been teleported into the desert sun, and then he disappears entirely from the
narrative, as is fitting, because he was never truly there in the first place.
There’s
nought wrong with superhero books designed to be thinly-written, self-referencing punch-ups and nothing
else, or rather, there’s not if both creators and consumers conspire to
miss
the fact that the former's cheating the audience and the latter's
accepting narrative forgeries rather than well-wrought stories. For there’s surely no
reason why
big and apparently dumb tales can’t actually be unpretentiously smart
too, no
reason why such takes on the superhero narrative can’t be worked on and polished up
until they
carries far more than just a touch of surface flash and a
sprinkle of continuity inversions. Why, isn't that what Mark Millar used to provide, month in and month out, with the likes of the original Ultimates? Yet as part of his farewell to writing for Marvel, Ultimate Avengers 3 stands as little more than page after page of a substantially gifted scripter slumming it, and that's a business that's almost as contemptuous of his own talent as it is of the folks who've ended up buying the book. As a framework for a fantastic story, what’s here stands as a promising start, a patchwork quilt of grand moments and a sense of a plot that progresses effectively, if somewhat tediously, from A to B. As a finished product, it’s shamefully thin, markedly lazy and appallingly complacent.
sprinkle of continuity inversions. Why, isn't that what Mark Millar used to provide, month in and month out, with the likes of the original Ultimates? Yet as part of his farewell to writing for Marvel, Ultimate Avengers 3 stands as little more than page after page of a substantially gifted scripter slumming it, and that's a business that's almost as contemptuous of his own talent as it is of the folks who've ended up buying the book. As a framework for a fantastic story, what’s here stands as a promising start, a patchwork quilt of grand moments and a sense of a plot that progresses effectively, if somewhat tediously, from A to B. As a finished product, it’s shamefully thin, markedly lazy and appallingly complacent.
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Your description of the 'Look at this!!! Argh!!! FOOLED YOU!!!' method reminds me of the TV franchise CSI, which resorts to this method a lot and which wore me out with it. I was about to say that the franchise constructed the very first couple of episodes of its very first series around the method, but this was allegedly the result of last-minute tweaks rather than the original plan. Still, the method stuck!
ReplyDeleteYour description of 'a proposal for the spine of a tale which a truly ambitious and fully committed creative team might then have fleshed out together for publication' obviously chimes with several of your recent posts about contemporary titles, which go beyond decompression into weird doldrum-like dynamics. But it also reminded me of Roger Ebert's review of David Lynch's film Lost Highway, where he said that the filmmakers 'seem to have filmed the notes' rather than making an actual film. (As it happens I disagreed with Ebert's review in that instance, but I still think its similarity to your critique of today's comics is interesting.)
Alex S
Hello Alex:- oh, I do like THAT phrase: "weird doldrum-like dynamics". Thank you. It applies to full page splashes such as the Hulk-Clone/Cap in the gym shot, where it's just IMPOSSIBLE to work out why that is a splash, and why it isn't a five/six page panel detailing the two character's relationship in greater detail and to great effect.
ReplyDeleteI've never read a great deal of Ebert's work. Would you recommend I do? I need all the inspiration from all the good critical writing I can find.
Reading your comment made me realise to an even greater degree that there's no reason that the LOOK-AT-THIS-ARGH-FOOLED-YOU method couldn't work. But running parallel with it would need to be a good deal of craft and care, so that a story and characters remained after the shock/horror/surprise had been played as a once-only round-winning card.
But whatever method is used, these endless splash pages for their own sake will be one of the reasons for the death of the sub-genre. Seriously. 5 splashes in one issue is 4 too many, and robs the reader of at least 16 more panels of story. Ach. Well, why don't more folks buy comics where 20% of the page count are shots that could be dealt with in a third of a page?
I stand by my previously stated high regard for Mr Millar's acheivements and skills. But this kind of thing ... Oh, dear ...
Hi Colin.
ReplyDeleteA friend showed me this, as I don´t spend money for a Millar book. I can´t stand neither his writing nor his relentless self-advertising. In my book he is one of the most overrated writers in the business. Of course he has a loyal following so more power to him.
But my friend had a good laugh of the thinly veiled Twilight joke, and it was funny. Garth Ennis did this sort of thing much better, but it was a good laugh.
But what I don´t get about this is why Marvel waste Dillon´s talent on superheroes. Dillon is a wonderful artist, but superheroes are not his thing. He just doesn´t the dynamic or the backgrounds which should be a part of superhero-storytelling. (Of course this is a matter of taste, but as much an artist like Dillon is a selling point for me, I never would buy his superhero-work. It just doesn´t work for me.)
Still, shouldn´t there be a project more suited to Mr Dillon´s strength?
Hello Andy:- I can understand why you might not have a high opinion of Mr Millar if you've seen but particular examples of his work. Yet the Ultimates, his Superman Adventures tales, and a host of great limited series such as his two Wolverine runs, are all very much worth seeking out, and all three of those examples are quite different too.
ReplyDeleteI thought the Twilight gag had some energy and bite too, although it got some negative feedback in the blogosphere.
SD is a fine artist, isn't he? I recall enjoying his very early work on Judge Dredd, and although I never really warmed to Preacher, his Punisher was as hilarious as it was straight-faced. I think the right project re: costumes could work well for him. And there are wonderful panels here; one of the clone Hulk looking out over NYC was particularly fine. But the project as a whole wasn't suited to his particular skills, although he did a competent job on it. But there surely are more appropriate strips for him to illustrate, and if there aren't, surely someone at the Big Two could develop one. Talent like his is worth creating projects for, after all.
Thinking about page-count and splash pages this way makes me think that we could probably get the same amount of story in 16 pages for the same value if it were charged 2.40 an issue. I wonder if writers were confined to that much space if they'd cut down on the splash pages or if they'd just cut down on the story.
ReplyDeleteI don't have much to say on Millar. I'm neither too hot or cold on him, but I'm surprised, Colin, that you didn't warm up to Dillon's Preacher. That's the run that made appreciate his work. Before, all I've ever seen was his Marvel work, and while his did well with storytelling, I hated his draftsmanship. But after I saw Preacher, I realized it was the inking that I disliked. With his Marvel work, the lines are too thin and make his characters feel flat and ill-defined. When I saw his Preacher work, the inking gave his characters a bit more weight and substance. Just my two cents. I haven't seen his Dredd work yet, although I am slowly buying and reading through some Dredd collections.
ReplyDeleteHello Joe:- there were probably more classic comics produced in the years when comics were limited to thin 17 page pamphlets as there have been in the past few years. I've got a piece half written on the matter. The last half-a-year of GREAT Thomas/Windsor-Smith Conans, Starlin's classic cosmic comics, Engelhart and Rogers/Austin's Batman stories; they were all produced with a limited page count. And the Goodwin/Simonson Manhunters were mostly just 8 or so pages long and yet contain more plot than any 2 decompressed books.
ReplyDeleteYep. I agree. Comics don't need to be 22. 24, 28 or whatever pages long. They need to be worth the reading, which is a very different matter indeed ..
Your earlier posts have prompted me to consider that Millar wasn't who they said he was. This one, then, is making me think that he is becoming, or has become, who they said he was. In any case, it looks like it was indeed time for him to stop writing Marvel comics, as he claims to have done!
ReplyDeleteArtists prefer drawing splash pages, I believe, as they can then sell the original art online. People are much more willing to hang a single image on their wall than they are a 6-panel, in medias res narrative.
ReplyDeleteHowever, the over-reliance on splash pages is one of the reasons that I no longer spend money on comic books. I cannot justify spending three dollars on a reading experience that lasts less than three minutes.
I consider Vol. 3 of Ultimates to be a guilty pleasure. There was enough of Daredevil, Jr. on display to see that he kept a bit of personality. That allowed me to hope for his salvation. Also, I found his death more touching when I saw the panel on your blog, because the focus allowed me to see the emotions on display--Daredevil Jr.'s confusion and Stick's compassion for his ward. What drama there is comes from understatement and anti-climax, as opposed to melodrama. (Who would have expected that from Millar, of all people?)
ReplyDeleteIt was designed as a summer popcorn movie, and I guess it fulfilled that goal, stolid and uninspiring though it may be. If there is any joy in the series, it's in watching Dillon apply his talents--anatomy, composition, "acting," timing and a matchless gift for making the outrageous seem horribly real. If only Millar had thought to keep him away from his weaknesses--buildings, sci-fi machinery, obsessive detail and women. (No, they don't all have to look like pin-ups and porn stars!...but he can't even draw roundness!)
It's really, really OOP, but Dillon once drew a humor book called "How to become a Superhero"...or something like that. Not only is it hilarious from cover to cover, but one can also see how much he was influenced by Jim Starlin.
If you want more of Roger Ebert, listen to his commentary for the movie "Dark Town." As an extra bonus, you also get to see what a knowledgeable comic book fan he is!
"It’s the end-game of a comicbook market more and more obsessed with what unguessable thing is going to happen next rather than what action tells us about the characters involved."
ReplyDeleteYes.
All I have to say.
Yes.
Hello Joe:- I not only have nothing against Preacher, but, I do assure you, I suspect that I'll enjoy it very much when I finally sit down and read it again. I have enjoyed a great deal of Mr Ennis's work over the years since first finding Preacher tough to get into, and I suspect that that alone will help me 'get' the comic next time around. I really do have a strong and sincerely-meant conviction that it's all been my fault and not Preacher's :)
ReplyDeleteMr Dillon's early work on Dredd is fascinating to look at now. The process by which he's simplified his approach while maximizing its effect is remarkable. But that laudable focus on storytelling has always been there ..
Hello Carl:- You're right to mention that I've a genuine fondness for Mr Millar's work, and with certain works, a respect for his moral purpose too. (The very idea of which could get me frowned at if not kicked as I walk between the tables of certain drinking establishments.)And my opinion of some of the work he's undertaken in the past few years shouldn't obscure the regard I have for key works such as Ultimates and the Superman Adventures.
ReplyDeleteBut this is shoddy work, it really is. Given that consumers were going to be shelling out hard cash for this books, and given how precarious the whole industry's position is, I would've hoped for work that was less insubstantial. There's nought wrong with a blockbuster movie. But such a lazy, careless, 27-splash-pages-in-137-pages one? He's better than that.
When I opened the site and saw the upper three quarters of the ripped comic graphic my brain immediately filled in with the backing track of Inception's clash of horns.
ReplyDeletehttp://inception.davepedu.com/
Try it. It certainly sets the stage for a momentous event.
Similarly, I've found that it can be used to utterly decide the validity of the double and single splashes. If you can hit that button and feel a sense of awe...a sense of necessity and game changing possibility...then you qualify as a splash that while perhaps not the penultimate moment then at the very least a deeply enjoyable and memorable one.
On the other hand if, deep inside, you feel a hearty guffaw arising that will land with all the impact of same in the midst of a state funeral...you've got yourself a bad device.
It gives you the auditory sensory ability to see that when abused, overused, and generally robbed of its majesty the splash just becomes a lazy shortcut. The power is gone. Only hilarity remains.
I've gotta also say that Blade and Cap in the second splash look a bit "closer" than their situation might suggest.
Lastly, Cap Tank Top is ridiculous. Juxtaposed next to civilian nebbish Hulk Clone even more so.
Hope I don't wind up in the spam bin because I added a link!
Hello ralphdibny:- you know, I refrained from suggesting that UZ3 might have been motivated by a desire to invest as little work as possible while maximizing the earning from it. The thought came to mind, but I've no evidence of it here. Which is not to say you're wrong. But I would desperately hope you're not. I hope Mr Millar produced this script in this fashion not because he could rush through it while turning a buck and fulfilling a contract, but because it was the best work that he could create at the time. (Mr Dillon is of course in the position of providing the art for the script he receives.)
ReplyDeleteBecause if the creators of these mainstream books really are in that much control, and if their self-interest really does impact that massively to the detriment of the product, then the industry deserves to collapse simply because of that gutlessness on its part and the lack of common decency on the part of its creators.
Let's hope the cock-up theory is closer to fact than the conspiracy one. It usually is. But I've heard the same things you have. Shameful, shameful stuff wherever and whenever it occurs.
Hello David:- there are NO guilty pleasures, as David Hepworth is want to bang the table during the Word podcast and declare. There are only pleasures. I wouldn't want to say another thing to challenge your liking for the book. I've already had a pretty good say, I think :)
ReplyDeleteI will say, however, that there are quite a few tender moments in Mr Millar's work. As I'll never tire of saying, the Superman Adventures comics he wrote were exceedingly warm-hearted and quite frankly superior to just about everything that's appeared in the 'adult' line with the character for about 20 years. (There ARE honourable exceptions, but not nearly as many as there should be.) And sweet moments certainly predominate in the FF issues he did with Mr Hitch, and 1985 is a very tender mini-series concerned with families and lost opportunities and imagined worlds. Mr Millar's reputation is not always an accurate one, but UA3 doesn't help the stereotype ...
I do of course adore Mr Dillon's work. It's not just very fine, but it's unique; I'd never have thought that he was influenced by Jim Starlin, mind you! That's an idea that I'll be chasing. Of course, everyone WAS influenced by Jim Starlin in the mid-Seventies, when he was at his height, and it's often forgotten how influential he was. I think back to my own time drawing awful comics and poor versions of Jim Starlin's Ditko-esque body-types are always there. I didn't need to trace, because his work was SO burned into my way of seeing the world.
I shall track down Dark Town at the local and splendid, and yet sadly threatened-by-Govt-cuts, library. Am I allowed to admit that I haven't even heard of it? I shall put that right, for the commentary alone sounds fascinating. Thanks for the steer, Mr D :)
Colin, I tried posting a reply to your question about Ebert, but in the reply I mentioned something else which may have constituted me dropping a clanger.
ReplyDeleteIf that's what I did and that's why the comment hasn't appeared, then a) sincere apologies, and b) do mind if I post the reply about Ebert again, minus clanger?
If technical gremlins in Blogger or my ineptitude are to blame, then I'll just repost the comment and you can forget I mentioned any clanger :-)
Alex S
Hello Julian:- and both of us have written in praise of Mr Millar and his works, haven't we? We're hardly the boo-boys of blogdom where MM is concerned.
ReplyDeleteIt's a shame. The sub-genre's comics need - absolutely need - its top creators firing on all cylinders. There's too much to loose, and anyway, folks are spending money on this stuff. As unfashionable as that will sounds, that does bring responsibilities with it.
Hello Alex:- I'd never not publish a comment and leave it there, dear correspondent :) I can't imagine you Clanger-dropping - how could you drop such a cute and lovable creature - but if you did, I'd leave you a note here. No, Blogger simply hasn't delivered your comment. I've checked the spam and so on; nothing there. My apologies.
ReplyDeleteI'm fascinated by the clanger. Feel free to put it in a separate comment if you want it to be not for the publishing. Or not. Your call. But if you have a sec, I would welcome your Ebert recommendations.
Thanks, Alex :)
Clanger now relegated to a separate comment, may Oliver Postgate forgive me.
ReplyDeleteWhat I was going to say about Roger Ebert, in response to your question, was that I certainly would recommend his writing, both about film and about life in general.
He's one of those people who can write clearly for a general readership about a broad range of subjects ranging from the popular to the esoteric, which is no mean feat. I've always found him a joy to read, even when I disagree with him. In fact, sometimes (by no means always!) I can tell from the way he expresses his dislike of a film that I'm likely to think the film good (and vice versa), which is often a sign of a good critic. And since he sadly lost the power of speech in 2006 due to surgery for thyroid cancer, his writing (in his online journal among other outlets) has only become more prolific and engaging.
As well as knowing his onions about film, he also does his best to draw upon the broader context of current affairs and source material when he reviews films, which is great. Occasionally he gets things wrong when he does that (his reference in a review of one of the Lord of the Rings movies to 'an epic battle scene that would no doubt startle the gentle medievalist JRR Tolkien' made me think of several scenes in Tolkien's writing that would no doubt startle the gentle critic Roger Ebert), but in general I think he's what you would call an egg.
Also, Charles Bukowski, who had no time for anyone he viewed as inauthentic and whose tombstone bears the disquieting epitaph 'don't try', also thought Ebert was a egg, if the thinly-veiled character Rick Talbot in his roman-Ã -clef Hollywood is anything to go by. Not many people received praise from that quarter.
When David Soler mentions Dark Town above, I think he may mean Dark City, a wonderful film directed by Alex Proyas that I'd wholeheartedly recommend. BUT, make sure you see the superior director's cut, because the original theatrical release suffered from some studio interference. Ebert, bless him, provided commentaries for DVD releases of both cuts, and the fact that he won't be providing spoken commentaries for any more films makes this fact all the more valuable.
The film isn't based on a specific comic, but it does draw inspiration from many sources including comics. To say much more about it would risk spoiling it!
Alex S
My possible clanger consisted of me asking about your book on Mark Millar!
ReplyDeleteI recall you saying a while back that there had been an unavoidable hold-up in its completion and/or publication, and given that fact, I was worried that I may have put my foot in it simply by mentioning the matter. I was asking about it not because I mean to rush you (or the estimable Julian Darius and his colleagues), but because I want to be first in the queue to get it when it appears :-)
Alex S
Hello Alex:- no clanger at all. For circumstances utterly beyond anyone's control, synchronizing having a crack at the book and my teacher's pension took 6 and a half months out of the project. (No-one was a bad egg at all about it on the bureaucracies part. It just takes that long to get everything sorted.) Which left me both incredibly frustrated and also feeling silly, having discussed it in public up here. But the work goes on now, it being ethical for me to persevere with it now! Indeed, tonight I shall be reading some Sonic The Comics from the early 1990s with MM scripts. No, really. Sonic the comic ....
ReplyDeleteThanks for the kind words. Mr Darious and his colleagues are estimable. In fact, they're simply splendid. Makes me want to (a) write a good book and (b) watch an episode of the Clangers, the DVD of which the Splendid Wife & I just happen to own :)
I may be in the spam box again...
ReplyDeleteMaking the dogs envious with my rifling through the bin, I think!
Hello Smitty:- and you were in the Spam too, which you shouldn't be, AND though you posted long before then, your comment didn't shown up until gone 6pm UK-time, which is all very strange. Sorry again.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely TOP link to a very big red button going bbbboooo-ooooommmm in a tone not unlike a Walt Simonson sound effect.
"It gives you the auditory sensory ability to see that when abused, overused, and generally robbed of its majesty the splash just becomes a lazy shortcut. The power is gone. Only hilarity remains."
I've been waiting for something like this all my life, Smitty. Does it work on politicians, doorstepping missionaries and sellers of unnecessary insurance? Just looking at it leaves me convinced that it must.
"I've gotta also say that Blade and Cap in the second splash look a bit "closer" than their situation might suggest."
Bless them. To have two such uber-macho characters playing for their own as well as the other side would surely be a perfect MM moment, and one which would provide the sensationalism-addled hardcore fan with an unpredictable moment which would surely draw applause and raised sales ....
Well, I'd buy it :)
Hello Alex:- I have no idea why you as well as Smitty ended up in the Spam, nor why it shouldn't have registered your presence until I was off having a splendid roast chicken dinner in the company of Cook Supreme Splendid Wife. My apologies.
ReplyDeleteI found your enthusiasm for Mr Ebert's work both utterly convincing and genuinely touching. To attempt to respond to your words would be futile, because I just don't know anything of the subject. But please don't allow my lack of response in terms of word-content appear to reflect any apparent lack of regard. I have just invested this week's newspaper'n'diet-coke budget on 'The Great Movies'. Of course, you're not to blame if it isn't to m'taste, but I suspect that it will be :)
My thanks.
Ah, I'm sure Smitty and I will survive rummaging around the spam bin. Besides, I'm increasingly convinced that Blogger's automated features have a sense of humour. When I submitted my first comment on this post, in which you criticise a title for being insubstantial, the word I was asked to type for verification was 'slight'.
ReplyDeleteThanks for answering my impertinent question about the Millar book. Do you know I've never read Sonic the Comic, but I was an avid player of Sonic the Hedgehog games on various Sega consoles in my youth. I still enjoy playing them very much, as do my brother and my wife, who are both far better gamers than I am. Indeed, my brother now works in the games industry.
I see from Wikipedia that Mark Millar wrote the Streets of Rage strip in Sonic the Comic. Now that's another series of games that me and mine are longstanding fans of (the music for the games by Yuzo Koshiro is sensational). Let me know if the fighting kangaroo shows up in the comic!
Blimey, I hope you like the Ebert book. The fact that the very first piece in that book is about my favourite film of all time makes me impossibly biased! If you don't like the book, then I definitely owe you several newspapers and some aspartame-flavoured fizz.
(I love Diet Coke as well, and Tesco are doing one of their intermittent £1.50 a 2-litre bottle deals on it at the moment. They've got that deal on permanent rotation with 'buy one get one free' and 'buy two get one free'. It's a way of seducing you into bulk buying, you see. Lidl, on the other hand, have got a permanent '2 x 2-litre bottles for £2' deal, but sadly it's only for Diet Pepsi which just isn't the same.)
Alex S
I also have a huge amount of affection for Millar's work, and often feel his level of craft is terribly under-rated by readers who can't get past his flash and bluster, but I think all of his Ultimate Avengers comics have been disappointing. His heart just doesn't seem to be in it, and that usually translates into mediocre comics that feel old and tired.
ReplyDeleteAnd while Dillon can show an infinite amount of emotion with one simple eyebrow, he really isn't suited for this type of thing. It's even more painful to see him spending his time on things like Ultimate Avengers when City Lights, his long-promised collaboration with Garth Ennis that both men have claimed will be some of their best work, remains unfinished.
Hi Colin,
ReplyDeleteFirst I'd like to say that your various criticisms of comics (paticularly panel layout) has helped me understand the medium more. I read comics as a kid (The Beano and reprints of the FF and Spider-Man) and then got back into superhero stuff in my mid-twenties. So I haven't huge experience and have only started thinking critically about them. As a literature graduate I focused on the writing, I'd already noticed bad splash use but only because it wasted story that could be told. (I think Bendis is terrible for this) Your essays have really helped me understand the art and criticism of it so thanks.
Anyway in regards to Millar, I was a huge fan of his up until the final arc in his FF run. I felt the villain was pointless and the result of Dr Doom having uber-god powers was ridiculous (not in the good way), and a poison-pill for other writers. The fill-in writers and artists didn't help either.
I also enjoyed the first arc of Ultimate Avengers. But since then it really seems like he's phoning it in. I'd include some of his other books in this like Nemesis, which was laugh-out loud funny in it's awfulness like a Frank Miller Batman comic but ultimately empty unlike a Frank Millar comic.
To be honest, I'd argue that anyone with a cursory knowledge of Millar's work wouldn't find any of the 'shocking' moments in this story even moderately surprising. He's got such a distinctive style that relies on moments like these that it's more surprising when they don't happen like in FF.
Comparing this to his invention of Marvel Zombies in Ultimate FF shows he can do alot better than this story, even with seemingly hackneyed ideas. His zombie FF was pretty chilling, with zombie Reed almost like an even more terrifying Hannibal Lector type.
I don't know if you read his last work for Marvel - Ultimate Avengers vs Ultimates but there were nuggets of greatness there, especially the continuation of the global politics of super-powers that defined the depth of The Ultimates 1&2 for me, (Hickman's a great pick for carrying this on) but it was mired in cross-overness and a general sense that he couldn't really be bothered.
I agree that he's extremely professional and deliberate in his stories, that's what has been so disappointing about his books for the last few years, each time I hoped this would be the good stuff and kept getting disappointed. (I loved Old Man Logan for what it was though)
On a side-note, I read somewhere that Marvel essentially usurped his vampire idea with X-Men in the Marvel Universe proper, and that he wasn't happy about it. Perhaps this was a protest?
Hello Alex: “Ah, I'm sure Smitty and I will survive rummaging around the spam bin.”
ReplyDeleteBut you both deserve SO much better!
“Besides, I'm increasingly convinced that Blogger's automated features have a sense of humour. When I submitted my first comment on this post, in which you criticise a title for being insubstantial, the word I was asked to type for verification was 'slight'.”
You see it. It taunts me, it mocks you. There’s no ghost in this machine. It’s a demon …
”Thanks for answering my impertinent question about the Millar book. Do you know I've never read Sonic the Comic, but I was an avid player of Sonic the Hedgehog games on various Sega consoles in my youth. I still enjoy playing them very much, as do my brother and my wife, who are both far better gamers than I am. Indeed, my brother now works in the games industry.”
Well, I’ve been reading them, but now I’m going to have to research more so that I can grasp what it is that I’ve been reading. I don’t think I’m going to need to refer directly to Sonic, and yet the way MM deals with a licensed property is obviously of interest.
”I see from Wikipedia that Mark Millar wrote the Streets of Rage strip in Sonic the Comic. Now that's another series of games that me and mine are longstanding fans of (the music for the games by Yuzo Koshiro is sensational). Let me know if the fighting kangaroo shows up in the comic!”
I can recall no kangaroo from Thursday-last’s re-reading. But that’s another strip where more background will be necessary :)
”Blimey, I hope you like the Ebert book. The fact that the very first piece in that book is about my favourite film of all time makes me impossibly biased! If you don't like the book, then I definitely owe you several newspapers and some aspartame-flavoured fizz.”
Oh, well, we already get the Guardian and diet drinks are bad for the teeth. And anyway, how can I not enjoy Ebert? He seems too fascinating an egg not to be worth reading.
Loss-leaders on diet drink. Considering the vile money-spinning brews – which I have a terribly compulsive taste for – costs about 0.2p a litre on an economy of scale – allegedly – they can take all that loss and still be as rich as Adrian in Watchmen.
Sigh. In order to make a million, as is said, start with 2.
Hello Bob:- “I also have a huge amount of affection for Millar's work, and often feel his level of craft is terribly under-rated by readers who can't get past his flash and bluster, but I think all of his Ultimate Avengers comics have been disappointing. His heart just doesn't seem to be in it, and that usually translates into mediocre comics that feel old and tired.”
ReplyDeleteThank you for saying that. I have NO desire to be a Millar-basher, and yet I suspect that there’s a fair number of us who regularly invest in his work and who feel that recent years have often brought us comics which are less than they should be. Mediocre, as you say, is especially not acceptable when there’s so much that’s sloppy and uncaring about the scripts that’ve been handed in.
”And while Dillon can show an infinite amount of emotion with one simple eyebrow, he really isn't suited for this type of thing. It's even more painful to see him spending his time on things like Ultimate Avengers when City Lights, his long-promised collaboration with Garth Ennis that both men have claimed will be some of their best work, remains unfinished.”
If only we could have the wealth of medieval Popes, ah? Or modern bankers, for that matter. It would be a pleasure to be patrons of the likes of City Lights, wouldn’t it? It really would …
Hello Ejaz:- You’re very generous in what you say about the blog. I must admit, I’d hate to claim to know anything about comics, but I am REALLY curious to find out whatever I can. I write so much in part because I really would like to know a little more. I like the idea that the blog is a notebook of sorts, and if that in any small way helps a visitor to sharpen their own thoughts, well, that’d be heartening. I certainly do the same in response to comments here, and to all of the blogs which I benefit greatly from visiting.
ReplyDelete“As a literature graduate I focused on the writing … “
Oh, I do too! My natural inclination is to focus on the script, but knowing that helps me turn m’gaze to those wonderful panels and pages. The business of comics art is far more difficult to understand and describe, though I hasten to say that that doesn’t mean that the writing is in any way easy to ‘understand and describe’ at all either. But I do love to try to make sense of all that craft and intelligence. Good craftsmanship is always a pleasure to study, and even getting things entirely wrong can spark a useful idea or two, as well as that cold chill of blogger’s mortality.
I do know exactly what you mean with your reservations of MM’s recent work. I wonder if he’s in an Imperial Phase, as Neil Tennant calls them, caught up in one of those periods when the advantages his work have won him overshadow his best intentions. His reputation could certainly do with another considerable success.
”He's got such a distinctive style that relies on moments like these that it's more surprising when they don't happen like in FF.”
Top point. What a shame that more folks didn’t give MM credit, as you’ve done, for how different to his normal style those FF issues were, especially after the first arc. I do sometimes feel that he’s damned if he does and if he doesn’t …
”Comparing this to his invention of Marvel Zombies in Ultimate FF shows he can do alot better than this story, even with seemingly hackneyed ideas. His zombie FF was pretty chilling, with zombie Reed almost like an even more terrifying Hannibal Lector type.”
I’ll entirely agree with you. I found those first Marvel Zombies issues in UFF to be exactly as you say. They were quite horrible and played to the strengths of both genres involved. (I say this even given that my memory has Mr Land as the strips artist.)
”I don't know if you read his last work for Marvel - Ultimate Avengers vs Ultimates but there were nuggets of greatness there, especially the continuation of the global politics of super-powers that defined the depth of The Ultimates 1&2 for me, (Hickman's a great pick for carrying this on) but it was mired in cross-overness and a general sense that he couldn't really be bothered.”
I’m waiting for the trade there. Circumstances limited my budget for awhile and the previous two series really didn’t impress. I’ll certainly keep in mind your points when I get hold of the collection. I do hope it’s good. I really do.
”I loved Old Man Logan for what it was though”
I thought it was it was the closest to grand old 2000ad story I’ve ever seen him produce, and that includes all those hundreds of chapters he produced for Tharg. I totally agree. It was tremendously good fun, although there was a sense that the formula was already hardening.
”On a side-note, I read somewhere that Marvel essentially usurped his vampire idea with X-Men in the Marvel Universe proper, and that he wasn't happy about it. Perhaps this was a protest?”
I wish I knew, I really do. It’s an interesting question you raise, to say the least. I’d be fascinated to understand what went on. It certainly seems inexplicable that the two line-leading stories were set to run side by side. Somebody asleep at the wheel, no doubt, but that’s never a good thing, is it? Writing and editing comics does seem to be a nerve-straining business, doesn’t it?
I agree it's interesting to see how Mark Millar deals with a licensed property (Grant Morrison on Zoids is the business!), but I'd be surprised if he wasn't given relatively free rein on Streets of Rage. The introductory text on the original game (or at least the English translation from Japanese) is so perfunctory that it's almost poetic:
ReplyDelete'This city was once a happy, peaceful place…until one day, a powerful secret criminal organisation took over. This vicious syndicate soon had control of the government and even the police force. The city has become a centre of violence and crime where no one is safe. Amid this turmoil, a group of determined young police officers has sworn to clean up the city. Among them are Adam Hunter, Axel Stone and Blaze Fielding. They are willing to risk anything...even their lives...on the...streets of rage.'
Alex S
Alex, you have no idea how much I appreciate that. Although my brief doesn't extend to Streets Of Rage in any detail, I do want to understand it and it's one of those things I've not had time or cause to dig into yet beyond reading the stories themselves.
ReplyDeleteIt sounds thoroughly ugly, actually. I think THAT city needs a Dirty Harry, as it were, to stops CHIPS David Soul getting out of hand ....
On film critics with the initials RE: So, 2001 then? Well, it's the best case I've yet read made for it, I'll say that. It actually made me want to park my preconceptions at the door and see it again .... No small feat.
My giddy Christ!
ReplyDeleteWhat a fantastic article.
Matt Badham
Thank you, Matt. Your generous words are very much appreciated.
ReplyDeleteAh, CHiPs! Happy times.
ReplyDeleteYes, I love Ebert's take on my favourite film of all time 2001, and I largely share his view. Most people who write about that film give undue weight to the cautionary tale of our tools turning against us, rather than the inspirational tale of us reasserting our control over our tools and going to the next level (not that HAL's demise isn't tragic, I do feel sorry for him).
I also agree with Ebert about the way the Monolith inspires both our ancestors and our successors - not through metaphysical voodoo, but through the mere fact of its its perfect smooth surfaces, straight edges and 1:4:9 proportions (4:9 being very close to the aspect ratio of the film, which is no coincidence).
Ebert is astute to compare 2001 to a silent film, because the text that most guided Kubrick in terms of method was 'Film Technique and Film Acting' by silent film and montage pioneer Vsevolod Pudovkin. And I like Ebert's account of a film that invites the viewer to adopt a contemplative stance. I have a general liking for films that encourage such a stance, hence my belief that plot and story are sometimes dispensable.
I'm jealous because Ebert got to see the premiere cut of 2001, with the extra 17 minutes (yes, I'm one of the few people who wanted 2001 to be longer). That footage has recently resurfaced and will be presented as a bonus feature in a future release of the film, but won't be reinstated in the film proper. By contrast, the longer version of Kubrick's The Shining is available in the USA (although Kubrick himself preferred the shorter cut).
Glad you're enjoying the book!
Alex S
Hello Alex: No. I just have to point out an objective truth here. CHiPs has nothing to do with anything that's good. Get behind me, Satan ....
ReplyDeleteI'm finding Ebert's style almost as interesting as his content. Those incredibly short sentences he uses as focus points in his paragraphs, the fact that he expresses intellectual ideas in everyday language, meaning that in fact he runs the risk of sounding more pretentious than he would if he was just a little more fruity:- I like to see a man who is quite obviously thinking about what he writes in such a way.
"And I like Ebert's account of a film that invites the viewer to adopt a contemplative stance. I have a general liking for films that encourage such a stance, hence my belief that plot and story are sometimes dispensable."
And I fear I'm not. Narrative is always my fascination, and that's just my personal taste. I'm not Roundhead, in that I've anything against films which, as you say, 'adopt a contemplative stance'; it's just not for me as a general rule. Horses, meet courses ...
But I will say that I'll certainly buy the next version of the movie on DVD, and I'll watch with an eye on the things which RE and your good self have recommended. I'd love to be converted, I never see the point of holding to a position for the sake of habit.
Would I like to have seen that first showing, and, if memory serves, hear Rock Hudson moaning about it? Oh, yes, please.
I have to say I enjoyed Avengers 1, I liked Avengers 2, but I was pretty appalled by Avengers 3. It really is a very poorly put together books with no sense of direction.
ReplyDeleteIn fact the only thing I disagree with you on is your assertion that Dillon is a fine artist. I find his work altogether too bland and unfinished looking to enjoy. It's all very 2D and has none of the depth of Hitch, McNiven or Lenil Yu's work. But then art is down to taste, I must confess I simply prefer the clean, glossy art of the first two artists I mentioned, but I appreciate that visuals are different for everyone.
Hello sparrowsabre7:- I find myself feeling extremely uncomfortable about how poorly I'm responding to Mr Millar's more recent work. Because I have thought well of his writing in the past, and - for what little it's worth - I've written in defence of it. But to my mind, there's no defending Avengers 3, and that's especially true given how brilliant Mr Millar's work can be.
ReplyDeleteI do feel that Mr Dillon's style was a poor choice for Avengers 3, and I can understand why you might not take to his style as your taste runs to work by, as you say, "Hitch, McNiven or Lenil Yu". To my mind, he's a wonderfully subtle storyteller, and I've admired his work since his first work on Judge Dredd. I think an editor needs to make sure that the superhero tales he illustrates are suited to his strengths. His Punisher work, for example, was just fantastically dry, funny and often thoroughly exciting.